The next is a transcript of an interview with Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer that aired on Jan. 21, 2024.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, thanks for having us right here in Michigan.
GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER: I am glad you are right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, you gained reelection by 10 factors, Democrats swept the federal government right here. And also you tied plenty of your candidacy to the difficulty of abortion, which was additionally on the poll. How a lot of a democratic win do you attribute to that one challenge?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel it actually did mobilize lots of people and introduced lots of people who should not conventional Democratic voters to the dialog and- and gave me their assist as nicely, as a result of I used to be the one combating for these basic rights that we would had for 50 years that had been susceptible to being ripped away. I might held roundtables all throughout the state and listened to folks, I feel that is an artwork. And it was actually perhaps typically misplaced on this second, on this nation. Nevertheless it was fascinating to listen to ladies who confirmed up who stated,”I did not vote for you in 2018. I am not a Democrat. However I am out knocking doorways for you, since you’re the one one combating for my rights, my daughter’s rights.” And it was a robust motivator. So I do suppose that individuals perceive this basic proper is totally essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that you just suppose you noticed crossover vote- voters right here in Michigan?
GOV. WHITMER: I consider that for positive. And I might additionally say I- in the event you have a look at what occurred in Ohio final yr, in Kansas, was the primary state, we have seen fairly purple states fairly conservative, , leaning states robustly assist the suitable to abortion. The precise for a lady to make her personal choices and reproductive freedom is a motivator.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So there are roughly 9 states, perhaps extra, however battlegrounds like Arizona, the place entry to abortion could also be on the poll as nicely this yr. Why do you suppose that that will profit Joe Biden and his reelection? Why do you suppose?
GOV. WHITMER: Alright, , these 9 states have a selected factor on the state stage, however abortion is on the poll in all 50 states. Abortion is on the poll for each one among us. As a result of if we–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Theoretically talking you are saying?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly if we elect a Donald Trump or a Nikki Haley, or a Ron DeSantis, all of them have pledged to signal a nationwide abortion ban. And so in a state like–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –They have not signed, no, Donald Trump hasn’t stated what he will do. He simply stated six weeks is an excessive amount of for him.
GOV. WHITMER: He is additionally the one on the market taking credit score for the Supreme Court docket ripping this straight away with the Dobbs resolution that overruled Roe v. Wade. So it is vitally clear that abortion is on this poll for all of us. And I feel that is why it is so essential that we’re out barnstorming Michigan, as a result of in a state the place we simply not rejected Dobbs, however we took it a step additional by increasing entry to reproductive freedom, we are also susceptible to dropping that if Joe Biden’s not the president of the US after this subsequent election.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you introduced up Nikki Haley, she makes the purpose that to cross a federal regulation, you’d need- to revive what was in Roe vs. Wade, Democrats would want 60 Senate votes, they’d want to have the ability to get by way of the Home and so they’d want the presidency. That math is not there. In order that declare that Democrats might safe the suitable, is not that giving folks false hope? Similar to promising to ban it’s a false pledge. It is simply – the mathematics does not add up.
GOV. WHITMER: I do not suppose so. As a result of proper now, one in three ladies on this nation reside in a state the place they haven’t any entry to reproductive freedom, to make their very own resolution. If they’ve a partial miscarriage at dwelling or sepsis, or they’re at the- reproductive well being is in danger. They haven’t any means to get that- that service. And so this is the reason I feel if a Donald Trump is president, or any of the folks on the Republican aspect proper now, sadly is, they’ll promote an abortion ban for all of us. Proper now, this president has stated he’s completely going to struggle for reproductive freedom, even when he does not have a Congress that can ship that invoice to his desk. Him being within the White Home retains a nationwide ban from taking place.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are saying if, by some means, Republicans had been to comb the Senate and sweep the Home, Joe Biden would veto that invoice. However–
GOV. WHITMER: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You really suppose that that is a reputable promise to make to voters? As a result of Joe Biden does not speak about abortion a lot, and actually, he has stated he is not large on it due to his religion. Does he want to speak about it extra?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel it might be good if he did, I do know that one tenet of his perception system is that girls and solely ladies at- with their households and- and healthcare professionals are those who know what resolution is correct for them. And that he’s combating and going to proceed to struggle to ensure that that’s squarely the flexibility of- of an American lady to make that call.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You suppose he must be the messenger on that extra?
GOV. WHITMER: I do not suppose it might harm. I feel folks need to know that this can be a president that’s combating. And I feel he has stated that, to make use of perhaps more- more- , blunt language, perhaps that might be useful. However he’s- that is his place. And that is why I’m completely assured that when folks see this matchup and actually perceive the stakes of this upcoming election, that, too, might be a motivator for folks to return out and vote.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So right here in Michigan, it’s now protected underneath regulation, entry to abortion. Viability is determined by a well being care skilled who determines the probability of the fetus’s survival outdoors the uterus. Virtually talking, science goes to enhance. Viability goes to maneuver nearer and nearer to conception. That is a kind of challenges. Is that this a problem that simply will get litigated repeatedly, and once more?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel I’ve come to the conclusion {that a} proper that was there for nearly my complete life, I am 52, is now very a lot in jeopardy, and that I am gonna should proceed to struggle to guard this proper. The Roe normal was a query about viability, did have, I feel, real- made plenty of sense. And- and I feel that is why you see folks popping out in states all throughout America and saying we’re demanding this proper. And that needs to be the usual.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, Roe had viability, the presumption being that was roughly round 24 weeks. That’s shifting nearer and nearer to conception. So that you’re saying despite the fact that you had this win in Michigan, it isn’t a closed matter, it- it is a continued struggle?
GOV. WHITMER: Completely. I- actually, I imply, we made nice strides right here. However nobody ought to really feel complacent that this work is finished. A nationwide ban would upend all the pieces that we have completed right here. Every little thing they completed in Ohio–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Once you say nationwide ban, what do you imply?
GOV. WHITMER: I- you have a look at the Speaker of the Home proper now has- has completely vowed that he helps a nationwide ban, sending one thing to the President’s desk that bans, whether or not it is after six weeks–
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MARGARET BRENNAN: He is additionally stated the votes aren’t there for it. He admits the math–
GOV. WHITMER: At this second.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
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GOV. WHITMER: However that may change. And that is why codifying this, proper, having somebody within the White Home who would veto it if we see laws like that handed by way of the Congress goes to be actually essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you do not suppose viability must be extra sharply outlined, both the place you limit entry, or, , like, there are calls, for instance, as , in Congress to- to select 15 weeks, to select a date on a calendar. Why do you reject that premise?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I do not suppose Congress needs to be choosing something, I do not suppose politicians needs to be telling ladies once they can and might’t make this resolution. I consider that the Roe normal had viability and that’s for a physician to find out and I am snug with that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So within the 50 years, Roe v. Wade was in place, there was no nationwide consensus, there simply by no means was. That is why there have been no legal guidelines crafted. Do you really suppose there’s a nationwide consensus on abortion now?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel that almost all of individuals count on to have the suitable to make their very own choices about their physique. An important, profound financial resolution a lady and her household will make over the course of their lifetime, is whether or not and when to bear a baby. Solely that individual is aware of what the reply is to that, with recommendation from medical professionals. And that is why it needs to be squarely their means to make that call.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now, while you say it is an financial challenge, there are plenty of financial points that go alongside elevating kids. Do you suppose the Biden administration must marketing campaign extra on the difficulty of increasing entry to- to extra inexpensive baby care, one thing that did not occur throughout this primary administration? There are different points associated to baby care, as , which might be a crises for a lot of American ladies. Why not speak extra about that, and fewer in regards to the process of abortion?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel we should always do the entire above. And we need to ensure that Individuals have the flexibility to boost kids once they determine that they need to have a baby, that it is simpler for them to seek out baby care that’s inexpensive, that is top quality. We need to ensure that once they enroll their kids in faculties, that they are getting the sorts of helps they should be profitable. We have achieved plenty of this in Michigan, I do know that the agenda that we have been capable of get completed right here is similar set of values that President Biden has and can proceed to struggle for this stuff. However I feel on the finish of the day, it isn’t one or the opposite. We now have to do the entire above. Empower American ladies to make their very own selections, however assist American households to achieve success, to have the ability to get forward, to have the ability to put meals on the desk and to seek out their path to prosperity.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So how do you make up for the problem that we’re seeing, and we’re seeing it in our polling, as a result of ladies suppose entry to reproductive care is getting more durable, not simpler. And greater than half of these polled by CBS say it is turning into extra harmful. How do you make up for these healthcare deserts in elements of the nation?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, the worst factor you are able to do is minimize off entry to- to medical means, to- whether or not it is round abortion or acquire contraception, minimize off entry to ladies with the ability to get well being care on, , by way of telehealth, for example. There’s an actual drawback right here, while you’ve acquired ladies in all of the states surrounding my neighbor, Tim Walz, Minnesota, who’re coming into Minnesota as a result of they can not get the essential well being care that they want. So it’s nice that we have now states which might be close by that individuals can go to, however that is not actual entry. That is not actual assist. After we require ladies to determine tips on how to take break day of labor and discover baby care simply to allow them to get primary well being care, that implies that we’re second-class residents. And that is why growth of- of well being care, meaning growth of telehealth and the flexibility to entry medication while you want it, is- is essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you basically consider that should come from the federal authorities, from the state authorities, or is {that a} personal business answer?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel it must be all palms on deck, to be sincere. It- ladies in states the place they do not have state leaders who’re attempting to try this are counting on the federal authorities for assist, or counting on the- the personal sector. And while you get that protection, we’re extra productive, our financial system is stronger, and most significantly, particular person American households are stronger.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you happy with the Biden administration’s messaging on these particular issues associated to ladies?
GOV. WHITMER: You recognize, I do know that this administration is doing the work and so they roll up their sleeves, and I respect that. They have been phenomenal companions to us right here. I feel all Democrats and all individuals who are- are on the suitable aspect of this challenge want to make use of their voices, should be very clear to the American public. There’s a lot noise on the market, there’s so many stressors that persons are confronting, that it is exhausting to- to chop by way of typically, and it is no fault of anybody. A number of American households are simply attempting to assist their chil- kids get their homework achieved, and get to high school on time and put meals on the desk and get dwelling from work in time to spend a bit time earlier than the youngsters go to mattress. We have to be very clear about how excessive the stakes are and what our priorities are. So I at all times suppose there’s- there’s at all times extra work to do on that entrance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of our polling is exhibiting that the President is underperforming with the Democratic base. That is black voters, that is Hispanic voters. Is the difficulty of abortion entry sufficient of a halo impact to make up for that lack of enthusiasm and the frustration?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I at all times remind folks within the months main as much as my reelection, there have been plenty of pundits who had been writing my political obituary. She’s by no means going to get reelected. She led by way of a pandemic and persons are very divided and a Democrat within the White Home. I ended up profitable by nearly 11 factors. I am not dismissing polls. I feel that they’re an essential piece of information that ought to inform further outreach. However I am additionally not, I am not getting, , I am not freaking out. What I hear from folks is a way of urgency. A way of how critical this second is on this nation. And I- I respect that and know that is why we have got to proceed to point out up and proceed to speak about these basic points that Individuals and American households want solved.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It isn’t simply the polls, although, Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, I am positive , he stated he is not nervous, however he is very involved about black voters exhibiting up for President Biden in November. He is acquired a reasonably good sense of his state. Are you involved, right here in Michigan, about this state staying blue?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel everybody ought to at all times concentrate on Michigan. It is at all times going to be shut on this state. Though we did one thing that hadn’t been achieved in 40 years by flipping the Home and the Senate and all democratic managed in the meanwhile. It is- the work isn’t achieved. You can not make any assumptions about what the following election goes to convey, primarily based on the final one in a state like this. You bought to point out up. You bought to do the work and present folks that you just actually care about them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is nonetheless a purple state.
GOV. WHITMER: Completely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And Michigan remains to be up for play.
GOV. WHITMER: Completely. Oh, I feel it at all times will likely be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That blue wall of the Midwest, you suppose now not exists?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I feel that we- we have resurrected it to an extent. And we have made it simpler for folks to take part in elections, which I feel is absolutely essential as we take into consideration the nice turnout we noticed final cycle. We noticed the largest youth turnout within the nation was proper right here within the state of Michigan. And I’m happy with that, however actually do not take any of that with no consideration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to speak a bit bit in regards to the financial system. Our polling, I do know you stated you do not completely belief polls, however by a 49 to 21 margin, voters consider former President Trump will likely be higher for his or her funds than President Biden. There is a large deficit right here on the financial system. And that exhibits up because the primary challenge for voters. So why do you suppose this notion exists? How do you repair it?
GOV. WHITMER: You recognize, I- I feel that while you have a look at what’s taking place with the financial system right here in Michigan, and- and that is true nationwide, we’re seeing unemployment at historic lows. We’re seeing take dwelling pay going up. I feel that we have now seen plenty of progress occur; inflation coming down. These are essential elements that take time for folks to actually see the profit from.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The price of dwelling remains to be excessive.
GOV. WHITMER: The price of dwelling remains to be excessive, and for a youngster to purchase a house, that’s out of attain for extra folks than- than it has been in a very long time. And so I feel that each one the work round inexpensive housing, the story that this President goes to have the ability to inform as folks begin to tune in nearer, as we get nearer to the election, goes to be highly effective. He’s targeted on making it extra inexpensive for folks to get abilities to allow them to get into good paying jobs. He is made nice investments and ensuring we’re bringing provide chains dwelling and securing the American financial system and creating good paying jobs. He is made investments, the place everybody else has talked about infrastructure week, we’re doing the work, and persons are going to have the ability to see that I feel that is going to be highly effective, when voters really begin to make up their minds and go to the polls.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So when do you suppose that’s? When do you suppose that you’re going to begin being extra involved or extra optimistic on the polling?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I, , what-, I am the kind of individual who’s going to be involved till the final vote is counted. And, , and licensed. So I- in a state like this, like-
MARGARET BRENNAN: In a state like Michigan- the place that was a problem within the last- do you’ve issues about that, on this upcoming election?
GOV. WHITMER: I am at all times involved that there will likely be individuals who attempt to create chaos across the election and attempt to misinform folks and maybe threaten election employees or attempt to undermine regardless of the final result is. And in order that’s one thing that’s nonetheless a really actual risk in my thoughts, after what we have gone by way of the final two cycles, and I can not take any of it with no consideration.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Half of these polled by CBS count on that whoever loses the election would be the reason for some political violence on this nation. That is a reasonably beautiful factor for Individuals to consider. Are you nervous about Michigan specifically, given the expertise with extremism you’ve got had right here?
GOV. WHITMER:
Properly, I feel probably the most harmful issues to our democracy and to our folks is the latest, , proliferation of people who find themselves keen to take up weapons and threaten folks they disagree with. It is unacceptable.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
Threaten you.
GOV. WHITMER:
Yeah. And, and- folks of goodwill on either side of the aisle have gotten to take this on. And we have solely seen it coming from the Democratic aspect up to now. I feel that does a disservice to each one among us, as a result of it isn’t restricted to being aimed toward one individual or one other. All of us pay a value when that is the case right here. So, I do suppose that all of us should take this critically.
MARGARET BRENNAN:What are you doing to organize for 2024?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I am proud to say that we have now been capable of enact quite a lot of legal guidelines that make it simpler for folks to take part, that give them the flexibility to point out up early to vote in-person, that pre register 16 yr olds for once they flip 18, that they’re going to be registered voters. We’re doing plenty of issues to streamline that system and I feel that can assist alleviate a number of the election day crush. And we even have penalized individuals who make threats to election employees. I feel that is one thing actually essential too that we have been capable of get achieved.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So this state specifically, it is Michigan, it is an auto state. The way forward for the business, and electrical autos specifically, which President Biden has positioned a really large wager on, could be very depending on the result of this subsequent election and the federal subsidies to make that transition to electrical autos. Are you dissatisfied that the Auto Staff Union, the UAW, has not endorsed President Biden but?
GOV. WHITMER: So, I feel that the UAW is, they have new management. They’ve simply landed a historic contract with the large three and their, their members are feeling actually good as they need to. It is actually unbelievable to see. I feel that in the end, they will undergo their course of, and I am, I consider that they’ll endorse the president. However I additionally suppose it is a good factor, that it isn’t only a foregone conclusion that that occurs. You get to earn the assist of individuals, whether or not it is voters or a union, or , a enterprise govt. You have to earn particular person assist. And I feel that their course of will make sense. And I am assured the President will likely be, would be the individual that they find yourself supporting.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Did Shawn Fain inform you that?
GOV. WHITMER: No.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He informed us again in September that similar to you stated, President Biden has to earn the endorsement of the Union. Does that imply the President hasn’t earned it but? I imply, if it isn’t public, what, what are they ready for?
GOV. WHITMER: They’ve a course of. And I respect that. I feel that is essential. You recognize, it does not do the President or or any endorsed candidate any good, if folks suppose that they did not, they do not have a cause for endorsing, that they have not earned the assist. I feel that is it is an essential factor to do, and that is why I exploit that terminology. As a result of I come from this state, I have been lucky to have earned assist of plenty of completely different organizations. And I do not take any of it with no consideration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This might be, as you stated, one other shut election. So I’ve to ask you, since there are roughly 300,000 folks on this state who establish as Arab American, you’ve a big Muslim American inhabitants. There’s plenty of ache and frustration with the President’s assist of Israel and its navy marketing campaign. How will he be obtained by this group when he comes to go to this month?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, no group is monolithic. I am going to begin with that. I’ll say that one of many nice issues in regards to the state is, that is the place folks got here to from all over the world for a great paying job and a top quality of life. It is true in the present day, nevertheless it’s why we have now such a sturdy and delightful Arab group in Michigan, and a sturdy Jewish group in Michigan. These two communities have lived as neighbors in concord for many years. And what’s taking place in Israel and Gaza has actually, I feel, brought on ache for everybody. My job as governor has been to remain near each communities, to work with the Biden administration to get folks out of the area and residential, which we had been profitable in doing. To attempt to ensure that I can do all the pieces to maintain folks protected, whether or not they’re worshiping in a synagogue or a mosque. And I perceive the ache that persons are feeling. And that is why I am- I repeatedly keep in touch, I pay attention, and I ask, ”how can I be supportive?” However you’re appropriate. I feel that there’s a lot of- plenty of angst round what is occurring and plenty of private ache. And my hope is that we’ll see some decision quickly. However I do not know if that’ll be the case and that is why I will proceed to remain near each communities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As we spoke to one among your constituents final night time, who stated he went door to door for Joe Biden in 2020. However he is misplaced his vote in 2024. And he stated he plans to protest towards him. Is President Biden going to face protesters when he comes right here, due to this one challenge?
GOV. WHITMER: He could, I additionally know that, , this lovely, strong group that- that I- I’ve beloved a lot, and that I have been so lucky to have the assist from through the years, can also be not monolithic, proper. A number of voters are gonna vote for issues like particular person freedoms, like the idea of our democracy, local weather change. So there are plenty of issues which might be going to return into play as we get nearer and nearer to the election. However actually, these are reputable and uncooked emotions that, that individuals have, and so they’re entitled to their opinions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am being informed we’re out of time. However I need to simply shortly ask you, since we see, immigration is a high challenge for voters throughout the nation, President Biden was requested Friday if the border was safe and he stated no, and it hasn’t been for a decade. Do you are feeling the White Home was late in acknowledging that that is an emergency across the nation?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly I imply, it has been an emergency and it isn’t been working for a protracted, very long time. Let’s simply be clear about that, over the course of many administrations, each events. We consider, I feel, right here in Michigan, that it is very important have the flexibility for folks to return and make their lives on this nation, however they should are available the suitable approach. They usually want, it must be accountable and there must be assets to assist folks once they do. The very fact of the matter is this can be a state folks got here to to flee persecution or famine or simply on the lookout for a great job that can get them within the center class. That is why we’re the state we’re in the present day. It is a vital a part of our financial future. However it’s crucial that the federal authorities has a accountable plan to make a path for folks to return into this nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you wish to see Congress get this achieved.
GOV. WHITMER: I feel each one among us would.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, thanks for being beneficiant along with your time and welcoming us right here to Michigan.
GOV. WHITMER:
Thanks, come on again anytime.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
Oh we will likely be again I am positive, in 2024.MARGARET BRENNAN:
Governor, thanks for having us right here in Michigan.
GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER:
I am glad you are right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
Properly, you gained reelection by 10 factors, Democrats swept the federal government right here. And also you tied plenty of your candidacy to the difficulty of abortion, which was additionally on the poll. How a lot of a democratic win do you attribute to that one challenge?
GOV. WHITMER:
I feel it actually did mobilize lots of people and introduced lots of people who should not conventional Democratic voters to the dialog and- and gave me their assist as nicely, as a result of I used to be the one combating for these basic rights that we would had for 50 years that had been susceptible to being ripped away. I might held roundtables all throughout the state and listened to folks, I feel that is an artwork. And it was actually perhaps typically misplaced on this second, on this nation. Nevertheless it was fascinating to listen to ladies who confirmed up who stated,”I did not vote for you in 2018. I am not a Democrat. However I am out knocking doorways for you, since you’re the one one combating for my rights, my daughter’s rights.” And it was a robust motivator. So I do suppose that individuals perceive this basic proper is totally essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
And that you just suppose you noticed crossover vote- voters right here in Michigan?
GOV. WHITMER:
I consider that for positive. And I might additionally say I- in the event you have a look at what occurred in Ohio final yr, in Kansas, was the primary state, we have seen fairly purple states fairly conservative, , leaning states robustly assist the suitable to abortion. The precise for a lady to make her personal choices and reproductive freedom is a motivator.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
So there are roughly 9 states, perhaps extra, however battlegrounds like Arizona, the place entry to abortion could also be on the poll as nicely this yr. Why do you suppose that that will profit Joe Biden and his reelection? Why do you suppose?
GOV. WHITMER:
Alright, , these 9 states have a selected factor on the state stage, however abortion is on the poll in all 50 states. Abortion is on the poll for each one among us. As a result of if we–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Theoretically talking you are saying?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly if we elect a Donald Trump or a Nikki Haley, or a Ron DeSantis, all of them have pledged to signal a nationwide abortion ban. And so in a state like–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –They have not signed, no, Donald Trump hasn’t stated what he will do. He simply stated six weeks is an excessive amount of for him.
GOV. WHITMER: He is additionally the one on the market taking credit score for the Supreme Court docket ripping this straight away with the Dobbs resolution that overruled Roe v. Wade. So it is vitally clear that abortion is on this poll for all of us. And I feel that is why it is so essential that we’re out barnstorming Michigan, as a result of in a state the place we simply not rejected Dobbs, however we took it a step additional by increasing entry to reproductive freedom, we are also susceptible to dropping that if Joe Biden’s not the president of the US after this subsequent election.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you introduced up Nikki Haley, she makes the purpose that to cross a federal regulation, you’d need- to revive what was in Roe vs. Wade, Democrats would want 60 Senate votes, they’d want to have the ability to get by way of the Home and so they’d want the presidency. That math is not there. In order that declare that Democrats might safe the suitable, is not that giving folks false hope? Similar to promising to ban it’s a false pledge. It is simply – the mathematics does not add up.
GOV. WHITMER:
I do not suppose so. As a result of proper now, one in three ladies on this nation reside in a state the place they haven’t any entry to reproductive freedom, to make their very own resolution. If they’ve a partial miscarriage at dwelling or sepsis, or they’re at the- reproductive well being is in danger. They haven’t any means to get that- that service. And so this is the reason I feel if a Donald Trump is president, or any of the folks on the Republican aspect proper now, sadly is, they’ll promote an abortion ban for all of us. Proper now, this president has stated he’s completely going to struggle for reproductive freedom, even when he does not have a Congress that can ship that invoice to his desk. Him being within the White Home retains a nationwide ban from taking place.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
You are saying if, by some means, Republicans had been to comb the Senate and sweep the Home, Joe Biden would veto that invoice. However–
GOV. WHITMER: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You really suppose that that is a reputable promise to make to voters? As a result of Joe Biden does not speak about abortion a lot, and actually, he has stated he is not large on it due to his religion. Does he want to speak about it extra?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel it might be good if he did, I do know that one tenet of his perception system is that girls and solely ladies at- with their households and- and healthcare professionals are those who know what resolution is correct for them. And that he’s combating and going to proceed to struggle to ensure that that’s squarely the flexibility of- of an American lady to make that call.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You suppose he must be the messenger on that extra?
GOV. WHITMER: I do not suppose it might harm. I feel folks need to know that this can be a president that’s combating. And I feel he has stated that, to make use of perhaps more- more- , blunt language, perhaps that might be useful. However he’s- that is his place. And that is why I’m completely assured that when folks see this matchup and actually perceive the stakes of this upcoming election, that, too, might be a motivator for folks to return out and vote.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So right here in Michigan, it’s now protected underneath regulation, entry to abortion. Viability is determined by a well being care skilled who determines the probability of the fetus’s survival outdoors the uterus. Virtually talking, science goes to enhance. Viability goes to maneuver nearer and nearer to conception. That is a kind of challenges. Is that this a problem that simply will get litigated repeatedly, and once more?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel I’ve come to the conclusion {that a} proper that was there for nearly my complete life, I am 52, is now very a lot in jeopardy, and that I am gonna should proceed to struggle to guard this proper. The Roe normal was a query about viability, did have, I feel, real- made plenty of sense. And- and I feel that is why you see folks popping out in states all throughout America and saying we’re demanding this proper. And that needs to be the usual.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, Roe had viability, the presumption being that was roughly round 24 weeks. That’s shifting nearer and nearer to conception. So that you’re saying despite the fact that you had this win in Michigan, it isn’t a closed matter, it- it is a continued struggle?
GOV. WHITMER: Completely. I- actually, I imply, we made nice strides right here. However nobody ought to really feel complacent that this work is finished. A nationwide ban would upend all the pieces that we have completed right here. Every little thing they completed in Ohio–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Once you say nationwide ban, what do you imply?
GOV. WHITMER: I- you have a look at the Speaker of the Home proper now has- has completely vowed that he helps a nationwide ban, sending one thing to the President’s desk that bans, whether or not it is after six weeks–
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MARGARET BRENNAN: He is additionally stated the votes aren’t there for it. He admits the math–
GOV. WHITMER: At this second.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
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GOV. WHITMER: However that may change. And that is why codifying this, proper, having somebody within the White Home who would veto it if we see laws like that handed by way of the Congress goes to be actually essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you do not suppose viability must be extra sharply outlined, both the place you limit entry, or, , like, there are calls, for instance, as , in Congress to- to select 15 weeks, to select a date on a calendar. Why do you reject that premise?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I do not suppose Congress needs to be choosing something, I do not suppose politicians needs to be telling ladies once they can and might’t make this resolution. I consider that the Roe normal had viability and that’s for a physician to find out and I am snug with that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So within the 50 years, Roe v. Wade was in place, there was no nationwide consensus, there simply by no means was. That is why there have been no legal guidelines crafted. Do you really suppose there’s a nationwide consensus on abortion now?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel that almost all of individuals count on to have the suitable to make their very own choices about their physique. An important, profound financial resolution a lady and her household will make over the course of their lifetime, is whether or not and when to bear a baby. Solely that individual is aware of what the reply is to that, with recommendation from medical professionals. And that is why it needs to be squarely their means to make that call.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now, while you say it is an financial challenge, there are plenty of financial points that go alongside elevating kids. Do you suppose the Biden administration must marketing campaign extra on the difficulty of increasing entry to- to extra inexpensive baby care, one thing that did not occur throughout this primary administration? There are different points associated to baby care, as , which might be a crises for a lot of American ladies. Why not speak extra about that, and fewer in regards to the process of abortion?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel we should always do the entire above. And we need to ensure that Individuals have the flexibility to boost kids once they determine that they need to have a baby, that it is simpler for them to seek out baby care that’s inexpensive, that is top quality. We need to ensure that once they enroll their kids in faculties, that they are getting the sorts of helps they should be profitable. We have achieved plenty of this in Michigan, I do know that the agenda that we have been capable of get completed right here is similar set of values that President Biden has and can proceed to struggle for this stuff. However I feel on the finish of the day, it isn’t one or the opposite. We now have to do the entire above. Empower American ladies to make their very own selections, however assist American households to achieve success, to have the ability to get forward, to have the ability to put meals on the desk and to seek out their path to prosperity.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So how do you make up for the problem that we’re seeing, and we’re seeing it in our polling, as a result of ladies suppose entry to reproductive care is getting more durable, not simpler. And greater than half of these polled by CBS say it is turning into extra harmful. How do you make up for these healthcare deserts in elements of the nation?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, the worst factor you are able to do is minimize off entry to- to medical means, to- whether or not it is round abortion or acquire contraception, minimize off entry to ladies with the ability to get well being care on, , by way of telehealth, for example. There’s an actual drawback right here, while you’ve acquired ladies in all of the states surrounding my neighbor, Tim Walz, Minnesota, who’re coming into Minnesota as a result of they can not get the essential well being care that they want. So it’s nice that we have now states which might be close by that individuals can go to, however that is not actual entry. That is not actual assist. After we require ladies to determine tips on how to take break day of labor and discover baby care simply to allow them to get primary well being care, that implies that we’re second-class residents. And that is why growth of- of well being care, meaning growth of telehealth and the flexibility to entry medication while you want it, is- is essential.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you basically consider that should come from the federal authorities, from the state authorities, or is {that a} personal business answer?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel it must be all palms on deck, to be sincere. It- ladies in states the place they do not have state leaders who’re attempting to try this are counting on the federal authorities for assist, or counting on the- the personal sector. And while you get that protection, we’re extra productive, our financial system is stronger, and most significantly, particular person American households are stronger.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you happy with the Biden administration’s messaging on these particular issues associated to ladies?
GOV. WHITMER: You recognize, I do know that this administration is doing the work and so they roll up their sleeves, and I respect that. They have been phenomenal companions to us right here. I feel all Democrats and all individuals who are- are on the suitable aspect of this challenge want to make use of their voices, should be very clear to the American public. There’s a lot noise on the market, there’s so many stressors that persons are confronting, that it is exhausting to- to chop by way of typically, and it is no fault of anybody. A number of American households are simply attempting to assist their chil- kids get their homework achieved, and get to high school on time and put meals on the desk and get dwelling from work in time to spend a bit time earlier than the youngsters go to mattress. We have to be very clear about how excessive the stakes are and what our priorities are. So I at all times suppose there’s- there’s at all times extra work to do on that entrance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of our polling is exhibiting that the President is underperforming with the Democratic base. That is black voters, that is Hispanic voters. Is the difficulty of abortion entry sufficient of a halo impact to make up for that lack of enthusiasm and the frustration?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I at all times remind folks within the months main as much as my reelection, there have been plenty of pundits who had been writing my political obituary. She’s by no means going to get reelected. She led by way of a pandemic and persons are very divided and a Democrat within the White Home. I ended up profitable by nearly 11 factors. I am not dismissing polls. I feel that they’re an essential piece of information that ought to inform further outreach. However I am additionally not, I am not getting, , I am not freaking out. What I hear from folks is a way of urgency. A way of how critical this second is on this nation. And I- I respect that and know that is why we have got to proceed to point out up and proceed to speak about these basic points that Individuals and American households want solved.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It isn’t simply the polls, although, Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, I am positive , he stated he is not nervous, however he is very involved about black voters exhibiting up for President Biden in November. He is acquired a reasonably good sense of his state. Are you involved, right here in Michigan, about this state staying blue?
GOV. WHITMER: I feel everybody ought to at all times concentrate on Michigan. It is at all times going to be shut on this state. Though we did one thing that hadn’t been achieved in 40 years by flipping the Home and the Senate and all democratic managed in the meanwhile. It is- the work isn’t achieved. You can not make any assumptions about what the following election goes to convey, primarily based on the final one in a state like this. You bought to point out up. You bought to do the work and present folks that you just actually care about them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is nonetheless a purple state.
GOV. WHITMER: Completely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And Michigan remains to be up for play.
GOV. WHITMER: Completely. Oh, I feel it at all times will likely be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That blue wall of the Midwest, you suppose now not exists?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I feel that we- we have resurrected it to an extent. And we have made it simpler for folks to take part in elections, which I feel is absolutely essential as we take into consideration the nice turnout we noticed final cycle. We noticed the largest youth turnout within the nation was proper right here within the state of Michigan. And I’m happy with that, however actually do not take any of that with no consideration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to speak a bit bit in regards to the financial system. Our polling, I do know you stated you do not completely belief polls, however by a 49 to 21 margin, voters consider former President Trump will likely be higher for his or her funds than President Biden. There is a large deficit right here on the financial system. And that exhibits up because the primary challenge for voters. So why do you suppose this notion exists? How do you repair it?
GOV. WHITMER: You recognize, I- I feel that while you have a look at what’s taking place with the financial system right here in Michigan, and- and that is true nationwide, we’re seeing unemployment at historic lows. We’re seeing take dwelling pay going up. I feel that we have now seen plenty of progress occur; inflation coming down. These are essential elements that take time for folks to actually see the profit from.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The price of dwelling remains to be excessive.
GOV. WHITMER: The price of dwelling remains to be excessive, and for a youngster to purchase a house, that’s out of attain for extra folks than- than it has been in a very long time. And so I feel that each one the work round inexpensive housing, the story that this President goes to have the ability to inform as folks begin to tune in nearer, as we get nearer to the election, goes to be highly effective. He’s targeted on making it extra inexpensive for folks to get abilities to allow them to get into good paying jobs. He is made nice investments and ensuring we’re bringing provide chains dwelling and securing the American financial system and creating good paying jobs. He is made investments, the place everybody else has talked about infrastructure week, we’re doing the work, and persons are going to have the ability to see that I feel that is going to be highly effective, when voters really begin to make up their minds and go to the polls.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So when do you suppose that’s? When do you suppose that you’re going to begin being extra involved or extra optimistic on the polling?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I, , what-, I am the kind of individual who’s going to be involved till the final vote is counted. And, , and licensed. So I- in a state like this, like-
MARGARET BRENNAN: In a state like Michigan- the place that was a problem within the last- do you’ve issues about that, on this upcoming election?
GOV. WHITMER: I am at all times involved that there will likely be individuals who attempt to create chaos across the election and attempt to misinform folks and maybe threaten election employees or attempt to undermine regardless of the final result is. And in order that’s one thing that’s nonetheless a really actual risk in my thoughts, after what we have gone by way of the final two cycles, and I can not take any of it with no consideration.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Half of these polled by CBS count on that whoever loses the election would be the reason for some political violence on this nation. That is a reasonably beautiful factor for Individuals to consider. Are you nervous about Michigan specifically, given the expertise with extremism you’ve got had right here?
GOV. WHITMER:
Properly, I feel probably the most harmful issues to our democracy and to our folks is the latest, , proliferation of people who find themselves keen to take up weapons and threaten folks they disagree with. It is unacceptable.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
Threaten you.
GOV. WHITMER:
Yeah. And, and- folks of goodwill on either side of the aisle have gotten to take this on. And we have solely seen it coming from the Democratic aspect up to now. I feel that does a disservice to each one among us, as a result of it isn’t restricted to being aimed toward one individual or one other. All of us pay a value when that is the case right here. So, I do suppose that all of us should take this critically.
MARGARET BRENNAN:What are you doing to organize for 2024?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, I am proud to say that we have now been capable of enact quite a lot of legal guidelines that make it simpler for folks to take part, that give them the flexibility to point out up early to vote in-person, that pre register 16 yr olds for once they flip 18, that they’re going to be registered voters. We’re doing plenty of issues to streamline that system and I feel that can assist alleviate a number of the election day crush. And we even have penalized individuals who make threats to election employees. I feel that is one thing actually essential too that we have been capable of get achieved.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So this state specifically, it is Michigan, it is an auto state. The way forward for the business, and electrical autos specifically, which President Biden has positioned a really large wager on, could be very depending on the result of this subsequent election and the federal subsidies to make that transition to electrical autos. Are you dissatisfied that the Auto Staff Union, the UAW, has not endorsed President Biden but?
GOV. WHITMER: So, I feel that the UAW is, they have new management. They’ve simply landed a historic contract with the large three and their, their members are feeling actually good as they need to. It is actually unbelievable to see. I feel that in the end, they will undergo their course of, and I am, I consider that they’ll endorse the president. However I additionally suppose it is a good factor, that it isn’t only a foregone conclusion that that occurs. You get to earn the assist of individuals, whether or not it is voters or a union, or , a enterprise govt. You have to earn particular person assist. And I feel that their course of will make sense. And I am assured the President will likely be, would be the individual that they find yourself supporting.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Did Shawn Fain inform you that?
GOV. WHITMER: No.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He informed us again in September that similar to you stated, President Biden has to earn the endorsement of the Union. Does that imply the President hasn’t earned it but? I imply, if it isn’t public, what, what are they ready for?
GOV. WHITMER: They’ve a course of. And I respect that. I feel that is essential. You recognize, it does not do the President or or any endorsed candidate any good, if folks suppose that they did not, they do not have a cause for endorsing, that they have not earned the assist. I feel that is it is an essential factor to do, and that is why I exploit that terminology. As a result of I come from this state, I have been lucky to have earned assist of plenty of completely different organizations. And I do not take any of it with no consideration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This might be, as you stated, one other shut election. So I’ve to ask you, since there are roughly 300,000 folks on this state who establish as Arab American, you’ve a big Muslim American inhabitants. There’s plenty of ache and frustration with the President’s assist of Israel and its navy marketing campaign. How will he be obtained by this group when he comes to go to this month?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly, no group is monolithic. I am going to begin with that. I’ll say that one of many nice issues in regards to the state is, that is the place folks got here to from all over the world for a great paying job and a top quality of life. It is true in the present day, nevertheless it’s why we have now such a sturdy and delightful Arab group in Michigan, and a sturdy Jewish group in Michigan. These two communities have lived as neighbors in concord for many years. And what’s taking place in Israel and Gaza has actually, I feel, brought on ache for everybody. My job as governor has been to remain near each communities, to work with the Biden administration to get folks out of the area and residential, which we had been profitable in doing. To attempt to ensure that I can do all the pieces to maintain folks protected, whether or not they’re worshiping in a synagogue or a mosque. And I perceive the ache that persons are feeling. And that is why I am- I repeatedly keep in touch, I pay attention, and I ask, ”how can I be supportive?” However you’re appropriate. I feel that there’s a lot of- plenty of angst round what is occurring and plenty of private ache. And my hope is that we’ll see some decision quickly. However I do not know if that’ll be the case and that is why I will proceed to remain near each communities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As we spoke to one among your constituents final night time, who stated he went door to door for Joe Biden in 2020. However he is misplaced his vote in 2024. And he stated he plans to protest towards him. Is President Biden going to face protesters when he comes right here, due to this one challenge?
GOV. WHITMER: He could, I additionally know that, , this lovely, strong group that- that I- I’ve beloved a lot, and that I have been so lucky to have the assist from through the years, can also be not monolithic, proper. A number of voters are gonna vote for issues like particular person freedoms, like the idea of our democracy, local weather change. So there are plenty of issues which might be going to return into play as we get nearer and nearer to the election. However actually, these are reputable and uncooked emotions that, that individuals have, and so they’re entitled to their opinions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am being informed we’re out of time. However I need to simply shortly ask you, since we see, immigration is a high challenge for voters throughout the nation, President Biden was requested Friday if the border was safe and he stated no, and it hasn’t been for a decade. Do you are feeling the White Home was late in acknowledging that that is an emergency across the nation?
GOV. WHITMER: Properly I imply, it has been an emergency and it isn’t been working for a protracted, very long time. Let’s simply be clear about that, over the course of many administrations, each events. We consider, I feel, right here in Michigan, that it is very important have the flexibility for folks to return and make their lives on this nation, however they should are available the suitable approach. They usually want, it must be accountable and there must be assets to assist folks once they do. The very fact of the matter is this can be a state folks got here to to flee persecution or famine or simply on the lookout for a great job that can get them within the center class. That is why we’re the state we’re in the present day. It is a vital a part of our financial future. However it’s crucial that the federal authorities has a accountable plan to make a path for folks to return into this nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you wish to see Congress get this achieved.
GOV. WHITMER: I feel each one among us would.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor, thanks for being beneficiant along with your time and welcoming us right here to Michigan.
GOV. WHITMER:
Thanks, come on again anytime.
MARGARET BRENNAN:
Oh we will likely be again I am positive, in 2024.